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After moving to the UK, I discovered that I didn’t know how to eat in English—in public, anyway.
My first attempts were in restaurants. I don’t remember the whole text of the Declaration of Independence, but I’m pretty sure there was something in there about our inalienable GodBlessAmerican right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of iced beverages with free refills. But here in the British Isles, I learned that if you order a drink with ice, it will arrive with a brave little ice chip bobbing forlornly. So I usually request a drink with twenty-three ice cubes, and hope the wait staff didn’t spit into too many of them.
In America, menus are regarded as mere culinary suggestions which can be modified to suit each customer’s whim.
But here in the UK, menus are basically chiseled onto stone tablets. No substitutions. Jack Nicholson would not approve, but I’ve grown to like this approach. It’s fast, clean, and takes all the guesswork out of ordering.
Also, here you need to be grateful for any scrap of your waiter’s attention. They are not here to serve you—because that would imply that they are servants. Instead, they are people who happen to stop by your table with food now and then, and as such they deserve your gratitude for imposing on their valuable time. I’ve gotten so used to apologizing for every request that even when I got a steak that smelled like week-old road kill, I hesitated to mention it to the waiter. When I couldn’t stand the smell, I still waited to catch his eye before starting to apologize. “I’m so sorry, but I wonder if you might have brought the wrong steak? This one seems like it isn’t what I was looking for. Perhaps you could just bring me a piece of fruit if it’s not too much trouble?”
Oh, and I’m an American, so I tip. After intensive therapy, I’m slowly working my way down from twenty percent to fifteen.
On the Continent people have good food; in England people have good table manners.
–George Mikes
For the first year or so that we lived in England, my neighbors were too polite to comment on my American table manners.
They got over it.

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At a Harvest Supper in the Village Hall, I noticed the man to my right was practicing the British art of Pretending-Not-to-Look as I cut my meat, put down my knife, transferred my fork to the right hand, and proceeded to eat the piece I’d just cut. Cut/switch/repeat. Meanwhile I watched in open admiration as his wife turned her fork upside down so that something shaped like a shovel turned into a slide. She speared three peas on the tines, and using the impaled peas as anchors, balanced a few more on the upside down tines, and maneuvered it all to her mouth—still upside down. Eating five peas at a time without losing a single one was an incredible feat of balance and persistence. I didn’t know whether to applaud or never attempt public pea consumption again.
To Americans, English manners are far more frightening than none at all. –Randall Jarrell
“Look at that American plate.” One lady across the table murmured to another.
I looked around the table. My neighbors were all residents of a small English village, which meant they could all play for England if there was ever an Olympic event for Pretending Not to Look. But I’ve potty-trained four children. I know about waiting. Finally a few looked over nervously. I pointed to my knife and fork. They shook their heads slightly. “Knife and fork at six o’clock if you’re finished eating,” one whispered. “Unless you’d like more…” I followed her doubtful gaze down to my plate. It was white china, just like their plates. But while all of their plates were properly empty of everything save the knife and fork modestly anchoring the six o’clock position, you couldn’t see most of my plate. That was, of course, because my dinner came with mushy peas that I didn’t eat because I’m a grownup American who doesn’t consume food that could double as a sculptural medium. Plus there was still an entire serving of blood pudding on my plate because you know—blood pudding. But my knife and fork were properly placed (for an American) at 4:20 on the plate circle. I edged them around the remaining food to the required position and looked up brightly.
“No, more thanks.” I tried a smile. “I’m stuffed.”
They winced.
A kind neighbor took pity. “My grandmother taught us what to say.” She looked me straight in the eye. “I’ve had an elegant sufficiency.”
So there it is. I’m learning not to cut/switch/repeat my knife and fork, to tip less, and to put my used utensils at six o’clock on my plate.
But there’s still so much more I don’t know about eating in the UK. So I guess I’ll have to hang around. At least until I’ve had an elegant sufficiency.
Hahaha.. I remember eating in New York …the waitresses were a tad too in my face, and the 20% tip thing seemed outrageous…Oh and the fork thing was baffling….. funny how we are so different….
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I know the tip thing seems weird, and that’s only because, well—it IS weird. [see hilarious Adam Ruins Everything — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k ]
You’re on your own with the fork thing though. I think wielding chopsticks is a snap compared to British forkage.
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When I was a teenager at school in the early 60s we used to pretend to be American and only ate with our forks to look cool.
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I’ve always been quite interested in the medieval way of eating where people stuff almost an entire leg of chicken into their mouth and then throw the discarded bones over their shoulder onto the floor. I guess they wouldn’t let you do that in restaurants nowadays, even if you pointed out that it was traditional. Pity.
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As far as I could tell, getting to walk around gnawing on an entire turkey leg is the ONLY reason to go to a Renaissance fair. (Oh, and learning more Shakespearean insults. Because being able to pronounce someone “thou damned tripe-visaged rascal … thou paper-faced villain” with a witty riposte of “whoreson impudent embossed rascal” just makes life worth living.)
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Shakespearean insults are cool. For a while on the http://www.thesaurus.com website they’ve had a short article about 3 of his finest, of which the one I remember is canker blossom!
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Um…because AMERICAN table manners were cool? My heart bleeds…
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Haha! I’ve never heard of an ‘elegant sufficiency’ before, but I like it!
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I haven’t quite been able to work it into the conversation yet. (I’m still playing in minor leagues… haven’t been able to say “Cheerio” or “crikey” publicly yet.)
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As long as you do eat thats the main thing. 🙂
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Ha, funny! I wouldn’t agree with EVERYTHING here, and if you’re still finding poor service here then you’re clearly eating in the wrong places 😉 I don’t normally self-promote my blog on other people’s blogs (honestly I don’t!) but if it’s relevant I occasionally do, and it’s relevant here because only yesterday I wrote a post about some of the differences between eating here in the UK and eating stateside – http://vanessa-chapman.com/2016/01/26/i-apologise-for-our-sandwiches/ Also, I can ask you directly now, I commented on Coldhandboyack’s post about whether your book about India was available in hard copy? I think only ebook though is that right?
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I have to admit that when we moved to Glasgow and big-city amenities, both the service and food quality went up exponentially! I could take you to Scottish restaurants that could hold their own on a world stage.
Until it comes to breakfast, that is. No matter your level of international savoir faire, you still want what Mum served. [see https://barbtaub.com/2014/03/18/tuesday-updates-you-are-what-you-breakfast/ ]
NOTE: Because of the photos, I thought that a print copy of DO NOT WASH HANDS IN SINK would be too pricey. However, I’m in final stages of getting that set up through CreateSpace. Meanwhile, if you’d like a reviewer copy in MS Word format, just send email to barbtaub@gmail.com and I’d be very happy to forward to you. Thanks!
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Thanks very much Barb, I’ll email you now!
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I remember the first time I visited the US. I was eighteen and very naive, thinking the country was the same as England because we speak the same language, right? There was one time I went out with a group of friends to a restaurant. Halfway through the meal I realised everybody at the table were staring at me as if I was a magician because I kept twisting the fork in my hand to eat. By the end of the meal they were all trying (and failing) to copy. Great post 🙂
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I think I’m just too old to master the fine points of the British fork, but I’m still lost in admiration!
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Ha…you always make me laugh. I’ve never had opportunity to travel Europe, but my mother tried to teach me some manners. We were taught not to say cheap…it was more affordable. We did not cut the grass, we mowed the lawn. My jeans were not ragged, they were well-worn. I, to this day, think of her every time one of those phrases she forced on me pops into my mind. In fact, there’s one in my current WIP, just because of her.
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It’s just astonishing to me when I open my mouth and out comes my mother. Clearly, she remains the voice in my head.
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My mother gave me a book of victorian etiquette once. Every sentence started with ‘don’t’. And almost every rule was around eating and manners. Who knew there were so many rules? I’ve never heard ‘elegant sufficiency’, but ‘ample sufficiency’ is a very useful term.
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“Ample sufficiency”! I just love it. Thanks so much.
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So funny 😀 The service has improved, honestly, and we’re getting better at complaining…sometimes.
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Just so all my non-British readers are clear here… And by “complaining”, Cathy means that the offended British diner will clear their throat (at various decibel levels signifying their level of outrage), focus a laser-sharp glare (when the target is not looking, of course), or—but only in extreme cases of affront—loudly pronounce “THANK YOU” into an awful silence.
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Haha…..and even send something back! Really…it has happened!
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Nope. I’m sorry but I’ve checked with the judges, and they say that a British diner sending back a dish is an urban legend. Never happened. Never will… (It was probably some New Yorker who was dropping the occasional “cheers” and “old chap”.)
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It was meeeee!!!
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Hmmm… we’re definitely going to need YouTube footage for documentation. (I’ve met you, and you’re WAY too polite.)
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LOL No YouTube footage, I’m afraid but I was polite about it. Seriously though, I do think people should complain when things are obviously not up to standard. Generally, we are way too accepting and put off by ‘causing a scene’ which it needn’t be.
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Let me know the second you convince any British citizen of that. I’d really, REALLY like to get it on camera. We’re talking instant viral.
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Of course you don’t send back a dish. You chose it, so you got it. What you (we) do is return it to the chef with instructions on how to cook it properly ( e.g five more minutes under the grill please/ a little less seasoning/ please replace this with one more delicately cooked, I have sensitive teeth…etc)…..
Meanwhile you maintain your dignity and hope Chef contains his urge to spit on it ( “I don’t believe I ordered this with foam????..)
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“I’m a grownup American who doesn’t consume food that could double as a sculptural medium” ~ a Barb Taub classic!!!
Aha, but have do you know the class distinctions when it comes to how you hold your knife and fork? The fork like a slide and and the knife with end of handle covered by palm, first finger to steady it, is middle and upper class, whereas holding them like pens (ie, with the handle sticking up) is working class. If not sure, I will demonstrate on our next meeting. You learn something new every day, right??!!
Re the menu cast in stone – my father went into a pub once where they served ham and tomato or cheese and onion sandwiches. The member of staff refused to make him a cheese plain cheese sandwich as it wasn’t on the menu and he wouldn’t know what to charge for it. ‘Substitutions’ is a totally American concept!!!
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This was an extremely posh little village, so we saw no pen-like knifers. But I’m absolutely going to need that demo! Only, if you visit me here in Glasgow, you might want to know my waiter-scale: if there are visible tattoos and/or body piercings, the waiter will be more willing to consider menu substitutions. If the tattoos and body piercings occupy more than 80% of visible skin, they will not only be up for any requested substitutions, but they’ll probably snag a nearby chair, sit down with you, order the next round, and talk about their favorite US places to visit (although they will, of course, only have actually been to Orlando and perhaps Las Vegas…)
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Brilliant post Barb – loved reading this (and isn’t Jack fabulous!) I’ve never been to the US but totally recognise much of the UK table manner etiquette having been brought up with this being drummed into us. I believe the waiting staff in the US have to rely on their tips a lot more than UK staff which might account for the better service but having never experienced it I really couldn’t comment. ‘An elegant sufficiency’ is exactly the sort of phrase my mother would use 🙂
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Yes, the US tipping system is out of control, and I suspect its days are numbered. But it does result in some darn attentive service. (Sometimes to the extent that you just want to tell them to bug off and you’ll let them know if you want a 137th ‘warmup’ of the top two sips of your coffee…)
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Entertaining post, Barb, which clearly struck a chord with many readers – the minefield of table manners and dining out! And how many of us nod and smile and assure the waiter the meal was lovely, thanks, even when the amount left on our plates clearly indicates it was far from lovely?
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I remember my first “full Scottish” breakfast, and the sight of haggis, black pudding, and beans. I left a full plate, and the only thing that got me through was the equally unexpected but surprisingly welcome bottle of whiskey…
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Yeah, I can imagine it must have been a bit daunting. I do hope you’ve learned to love it since. That would be whisky without an e, presumably!
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Very funny!
As long as you’re lovely company, do as you please and vive la difference. I’m British and I order what I want, make substitutions, send things back, eat with my fingers and always, always tip well for good service. You’re the client and you’re paying for the privilege, so have it your way.
I always like to engage servers, though, interact with them, make them smile, so that we all get to have a good time. It invariably works out very well.
Fellow diners who question your manners are only proving how rude and judgemental they are. One of my grandmother’s dining rules was never to eat with people you don’t like, and I’m with her on that one.
If I have a pet peeve it’s holding a knife like a pen, but I only ever tell my children not to do it. If you want to shovel your peas onto your fork, overfill your wine glass, leave your cutlery at angles on your plate or tuck your napkin in at your throat, be my guest, just so long as you’re enjoying yourself.
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Whew! I hope you like me because I’d love to eat with you, and especially with your wise grandmother—despite doing all those bad things. (Except the pen-knife work. And my napkin-tucking is reserved for the most dire of lobster-related circumstances…)
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Any time. Smiles.
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I think the exact quote from the Declaration of Independence is “the pursuit of stray bits of food around your plate.”
And, for what it’s worth, nobody ever went to hell for overtipping.
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Ah. You were the one paying attention to Sister Mary History…
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Sadly, I probably would’ve, but I didn’t go to a Catholic school.
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On the other side of the (very funny) coin, my friend from Scotland always astounds me when she’s here, using her knife and fork to cut everything on the plate, including breakfast toast, into small bites, which she then stacks with a piece of everything else on the plate, whether sweet or savory, and eats in one forkful. Sometimes I forget to eat my own breakfast while watching this incredible feat of dexterity, and wondering how toast, egg, and sausage can possibly taste good with sliced peaches riding along on the same fork.
But you can’t go by me. I eat in a way even most Americans don’t. I eat all of my egg, all of my sausage, all of my toast, THEN all of the sliced fruit, working my way around the plate. (I like to enjoy the individual flavor of each food item, what can I say?) When done, I put my silverware on the plate in any ol’ direction at all. The waiters here know when a plate is empty and silverware is lying on it, they should take it away and offer dessert or additional coffee. But then I drink Earl Grey instead, and completely throw them off their game.
Great post, Barb! And equally great responses.
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My friend’s lovely English father always used to say he was “sufficiently s’fullsified” – got us giggling every time. Loved this post!
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I’ve never heard that one, but I love it!
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Brilliant. Love this post, Barb. I do the 4:20 thing and I’ve always lived in England. Also, I had no idea about cutlery-holding etiquette until my husband expressed surprise at my “pen grip” while we were eating out during the summer. He’d never noticed how I held my knife during thirty years of marriage. Wonderful that after all this time we’re still finding out new things about each other! 🙂
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Ah, but the real question is…how do you eat your peas? Well, not the mushy ones, of course…
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A neat little pile nestling in the curve of my fork, or stuck together in a wodge of mashed potato. Delicious!
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Wendy, I’d eat with you any time! (Well, maybe not breakfast…)
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Hilarious Barb. Don’t worry, you’ll get there! Think how we would look eating in the USA
We went out to a restaurant with fiends once (yes… just the once) The husband complained there was something wrong with the roast potatoes which he speared on a fork and sniffed at each piece before eating it. After telling him to tell the waiter and being ignored, we tried to ignore him. A man from the next table(rather worse for wear with drink) was watching. He eventually leant over and said “you’re suppose to eat the bloody things not inhale them.” Our ‘friend’ ignored him. When his plate was almost cleared he picked it up and took it over to the manager at the bar to complain. He got hiss money back, would you believe? Well… he was from Yorkshire!! We from Yorkshire do like to get our monies worth. But we never went back to that restaurant again. In fact I don’t think we ever went out in public with our ‘friend’ ever again.
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I love the freudian slip where you call your dinner companions “fiends”!
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Hhahah!! just shows!!Jx
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Barb, now when you have mastered that, you can come over here. There is always fresh baugettes within centimetres of your plate. They are an additional utensil and meant for mopping up any savoury juices or particles that pedestrian countries might miss…
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When my love and I were in England this past summer we tried several times to get jacket potatoes from the restaurant next to the hotel. They were never available, for some reason. I think they might’ve been thrown by Americans coming in and ordering jackets and thought they were saving us from catastrophe. On the bright side, the pub cheese we went to as second-best included stilton, soooooo much stilton.
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Ahhh it’s a cultural thing. Nobody eats jacket potatoes here unless they are ‘on a diet’ . We certainly wouldn’t go out for the things. You should have gone down the chippie, you missed a treat there..
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Hey Barb welcome to the UK……, yep we’re weird ( UK transl ‘quirky’) and we’re all addicted to that – we love it. Our ultimate horror scenario is to be too normal and predictable. Here it’s a huge accolade to be a Good Upstanding Citizen but only if you can throw in a lot of the unconventional, unpredictable, strange, creative, original or different!! And we like people to be fundamentally kind. Always be kind.
Also ( although we have a lot of unspoken rules) Nobody Tells Us What To Do. (20 percent tip ? Excuse me?)
You sound fab, Barb,and you surely deserve to get invited to a UK house/dinner party soon. Whereupon you may experience our full unbridled and very strange brand of joy !
( and if you want a full-on restaurant-etiquette experience, hop over to France…)
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Well I’m from the north west of England. We don’t have manners there. We just eat and enjoy it. A bit like Ireland really. 😊 can’t stand airs and graces over food. Just get on with it already!
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I’m from India, and our table manners couldn’t be more different from you guys… We only use or even see forks and knives when we are hosting a party for some high-end guests ;p It is very intimidating and awkward at times, when you see people using forks and knives with the proficiency of kings or something 🙂
Not all are that way here btw…
I totally loved your piece!!! I could totally relate with you!!!
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And THAT’s why I keep going back to India! I’m heading there again in a few weeks, as a matter of fact. (Okay, that and parathas. And all other Indian foods!!!!! I’m getting hungry already.)
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