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Fair open discussion or gender stereotyping?
He has a PhD from Harvard in Systems Biology, and quotes generalities from Wikipedia. He says he understands that overall differences between men and women may not apply to differences between individual men and women, and yet he urges Google to make sweeping policy changes based on those group differences. And he thinks that Google’s policy of promoting diversity amounts to discrimination.
‘Discriminating just to increase the representation of women in tech is as misguided and biased as mandating increases for women’s representation in the homeless, work-related and violent deaths, prisons, and school dropouts.’—James Dunmore
What he’s really saying, of course, is that diversity—at least as it applies to hiring and promoting women—is super not fair to well… him. So obviously, in his world Google should only be allowed to pursue their corporate values of diversity if they also support increasing the numbers of women who are homeless, victims of violence, incarcerated, and uneducated. Instead, he thinks Google should really be focussing on employees’ ‘moral’ (ie political) biases and stop being so mean to conservatives like…guess who?
WTF?
When James Dunmore wrote these ideas in what has come to be called the Google Manifesto [see full text here], he says he was just doing his duty by pointing out his employer’s potentially illegal practices. After all, you know, he was only exercising his right to free speech guaranteed by the First Amendment. The alt-right is proclaiming him the new martyr on the altar of political correctness, claiming that his firing was illegal and offering to support his legal case. The only problem is that he doesn’t have one.
Because you know what? The First Amendment to the Constitution doesn’t guarantee Mr. Dunmore’s right to his job. I’m not a Google employee, but I’m fairly certain that on his first day at Google, James Dunmore was informed that his employment was “at will”. That means as long as his employer doesn’t fire him for being a member of a protected class (ie because of his age, race, or religion), they could pretty much fire him for any reason from not liking the color of his shirt to not liking the fact that he used his employer’s resources to publicly advocate views supportive of gender stereotyping and bias, and thus opposed to Google’s Code of Conduct.
‘Our co-workers shouldn’t have to worry that each time they open their mouths to speak in a meeting, they have to prove that they are not like the memo states, being “agreeable” rather than “assertive,” showing a “lower stress tolerance,” or being “neurotic. — Google CEO Sundar Pichai
I headed up HR functions for technical companies for years, and I would be the first to agree that there aren’t as many skilled women applicants as men. The legal bar here is NOT that an employer must hire a certain number of women and minorities, even if they are demonstrably less qualified than their white male competitors. It is that they must be prepared to prove their policies don’t discriminate against such applicants who are qualified. Does that mean employers shouldn’t look for them? Support them when hired? Prevent them from being the victims of whiny entitled employees who think somehow they are losing out?
![[Image credit: Green] https://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/21/end-of-a-shameful-year-for-pay-equity/](https://barbtaub.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/that-explains-the-difference2-196x300.jpg?w=529)
According to the World Economic Forum’s recent Global Gender Gap report, not only do American women get paid an average of 64% of the salary of men doing similar jobs, but that score puts them 73 places behind Rwanda. Yes. Rwanda. [Image credit: Green]
What if James Dunmore had said “As a group, Indians score lower on IQ tests so we shouldn’t hire them, especially as CEO.”
Even if he provided a nifty, completely meaningless little bell graph like the unlabeled one he used to support such a lame assertion, I suspect Mr. Dunmore would still feel that door fanning his tuchas as he was escorted out.
I’m old enough though, to remember managers arguing against having minorities included in our recruiting process, especially when I required them to document the reasons they were not selected. More than one assured me that it was “scientifically proven” that the minority group in question had a lower IQ compared to whites. When I told one such manager that meant that over a third of people in that minority group were smarter than the average white person, he snorted something about “lies, damn lies, and statistics”.
I have seven sisters, many of them in technical and engineering roles. They already see that they will make less money over their work career. They already know they will be among the very few technical women in the room. Last year, I wrote an open letter to my daughters and nieces, with input from their aunts and mothers. Should I now tell them that their biology will make them less successful and so if they’re hired, it must be because someone was discriminating against all those biologically-more-capable men?
Well, I have some news for Mr. Dunmore and all his whiny alt-right supporters. That’s not how biology works. That’s not how successful companies work. And—as he found out yesterday—that’s not how Google works.
I hope for my daughters and nieces and all the smart technical women our workforce desperately needs, that it’s not the way their world works.
Merci beaucoup mon amie!
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He quotes Wikipedia?! That should have disqualified him right there.
When I applied to the state police, I was told only a few women had made the cut based on the scores on the entrance tests – scores a guy made the mistake of publishing in a news article when he sued the department when he didn’t get in. He said that his score beat several of the black males that were accepted and sued to get his space in the academy.
The female applicants checked his score and just smiled and waited for the judge’s decision.
He won his law suit, but he didn’t get in. Myself and a large group of women got in when we advised the state that “our” scores blew away that guy’s score, as well as the scores of many of the guys that had already been accepted for the academy. The state police decided against risking another law suit, and the state police had their first academy that contained more than one token woman.
Wanna bet that a guy who quotes Wikipedia as a trusted source will still not have the scores to qualify?
I love when you give me the chance to blast idiots, Barbi. LOL
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Well there are so many of them and they do make it so easy! LOL Keep up the good work. Léa (one who use to work inside ‘the system’ before escaping to the life of an ex-pat)
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This was so much better than anything I could have written Linda!
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He quotes Wikipedia?! That should have disqualified him right there.
When I applied to the state police, I was told only a few women had made the cut based on the scores on the entrance tests – scores a guy made the mistake of publishing in a news article when he sued the department when he didn’t get in. He said that his score beat several of the black males that were accepted and that he was the victim of “reverse discrimination.” He sued to get a space in the academy.
The female applicants checked his score and just smiled and waited for the judge’s decision.
He won his law suit, but he didn’t get in. Myself and a large group of women got in when we advised the state that “our” scores blew away that guy’s score, as well as the scores of many of the guys that had already been accepted for the academy. The state police decided against risking another law suit, and the state police had their first academy that contained more than one token woman.
Wanna bet that a guy who quotes Wikipedia as a trusted source will still not have the scores to qualify?
I love when you blast idiots, Barb. LOL
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I know enough talented and intelligent women (and minorities for that matter) that I just flat out reject statements like those made by Mr. Dunmore, but I really like the stats based approach you used. It reminds me of someone dissing a female athlete because she couldn’t compete against the males and being reminded that even if she might be edged out by the best in the world, she was still better than 99.9999999% of males, including the jerk dissing her.
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Great comment! Thanks so much.
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Excellent! Just, well . . .excellent!
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Thank you!
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It all goes to prove that you can be both intelligent and very, very stupid.
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Present company excepted!
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Sure, let’s agree to that (she said stupidly).
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Excllent, Barb.
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Thanks, Mary.
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I can spell, honest!
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I hate replying to your blog on my phone. I didn’t intend to reply twice, I was editing my work and replying. Apparently, then replying twice.
Large fingers, teeny-tiny screen, and some weird button somewhere that just pops up when it senses the opportunity to prove that phone computers are not my friend.
But I get so wound up at some of your posts, that I just can’t wait to reply.
Sigh….
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So SO glad to know I’m not the only one who does that…
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I often think about writing blog posts about things like this – but I just get too angry! So thank you so much for writing this 🙂
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I sat around and seethed and somehow it just wrote itself.
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I’m impressed that you kept the language civil….
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Reblogged this on Alison Williams Writing and commented:
WTF indeed!
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Thank you so much for the reblog!
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Have pity on the poor white graduate of Harvard, Barb. He’s had a tough life already. Somehow, I don’t think it will get easier for him after this. Shame really.
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This is SO creepy. Perfect!
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So, he accused his employer of “potentially illegal practices” and wonders why he got fired?
Smart guy!
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You’d be surprised how many people think they have a moral and legal right to “their” job. Not a surprise, really, when people identify themselves by the job they hold. They honestly believe it would be wrong or illegal to fire them. I’ve even had someone who had been embezzling from the company tell me I had no right to fire him.
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I had to come back, cause I just read this:
” The Wired writer Nitasha Tiku confirmed with Harvard on Tuesday that Damore had not completed his Ph.D.
http://www.businessinsider.com/james-damore-removes-phd-studies-linkedin-2017-8
Hahahahahahahaha
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Well, I can’t fault him for the ABD—Harvard has certainly never asked me to do a PhD with them. But I read that entire “manifesto” and I couldn’t believe how lame it was. And the whine of entitlement was just suffocating.
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I spent 3 years working at Harvard Law. I know that whine well. Although not everyone who went there has it. My husband for example. Most of the time at least 😏
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You read the entire manifesto and there was no mushroom cloud over your house? My computer screen was shut down and a glass of wine placed in my hand because my dear one was concerned that i might self destruct.
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I spent a lot of years in HR and met lots of brilliant people—and lots of whiny, entitled, ones as well. I recognized the “let’s dress up our insecurities with some fake science and a few Ayn Rand references and convince ourselves that we’re superior and the only reason we’re not running the world is that someone is not being fair to us” approach when I started reading. My favorite bit was that piece of crap “graph” with no units or explanation. Like he was saying, “You have to take me seriously because I’ve got science here, with actual graphs and charts and everything.”
But you’re right. I did need the wine too.
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I seem to have developed a low tolerance for the whiny ones. Where does he get the time to write that crap anyway!
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You know, that was another of the great mysteries of HR. Some people seem to have TONS of time to spend on conspiracies, politics, and general WTFage. But they always seemed to be the ones who complained that there wasn’t enough time to do all that was expected of them.
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Funny how that works or don’t work as the case may be.
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